Nah, the best way to deflect this question is to answer: "I believe what Jesus said, that he has faithful and discreet slaves providing food at the proper time. I believe the organisation does provide much good spiritual food." And leave it at that. That will do it.
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Answer to the ? Do you believe this is Gods Organization?
by darth frosty init seems that this is the catch all question that elders like to use to prove apostasy or just to get rid of you.
i was thinking that this is a possible way to answer the ?
and turn the tables on them.
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New DVD
by mann377 ini came home and found my wife and son starting to watch a dvd that was provided to them before the circuit overseerer's visit tonight.
so i sat down to watch.
i must say it was the most bs i have watched in a long time.
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How they love to glorify themselves and worship their organisational idol. All bow down to the mighty Tower.
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Superb. It's not over the top and is quite rational, compared to some I've seen. The best way to plant seeds of doubt in a JW's mind is to use the Society's own quotes against them, which is what you have done here.
Keep it up & thanks to you and the others involved in making it.
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Destroy any JW's faith that they are the only true religion in 5 easy steps
by Must obey! intry this on the next jw you meet:.
1. ask the jw what religious group jesus selected in 1919 to be his faithful and discreet slave organisation?
the jw will answer: "pastor russell & the bible students"good!!.
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The majority of JW's know about CT Russell etc. The Watchtower still boasts about him as the founder of what turned out to be JWs, but what most JW's fail to appreciate is that Judge Rutherford's despicable classification of the dissenting Bible Students as the "evil slave" class was in many ways a rejection of Russell & what he stood for!
Agreed JWfacts. The word "Destroy" in the heading is a bit of puffery really, to get the readers attention. To "undermine" or "weaken" their faith in the organisation with my piece of simple logic is a more realistic expectation. When it comes to criticism of their precious organisation most JW's are immune to logic.
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Destroy any JW's faith that they are the only true religion in 5 easy steps
by Must obey! intry this on the next jw you meet:.
1. ask the jw what religious group jesus selected in 1919 to be his faithful and discreet slave organisation?
the jw will answer: "pastor russell & the bible students"good!!.
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Try this on the next JW you meet:
1. Ask the JW what religious group Jesus selected in 1919 to be his faithful and discreet slave organisation? The JW will answer: "Pastor Russell & the Bible Students"GOOD!!
2. Now, ask the JW whether Charles Taze Russell and the early Bible Students were anointed Christians, of the heavenly class. The JW will answer: "Why, yes, of course they were."GOOD!!
3. Now, ask the JW whether they are aware that there are still thousands of Bible Students today who believe and preach the same things that C T Russell and the early Bible Students believed and taught. The JW will pause for a bit and then say:"Really? Wow, ok..wasn't aware of that."GOOD!!
4 Now, ask the JW why, if CT Russell and the early Bible Students were definitely anointed, which the Watchtower asserts, and their beliefs were good enough for Jesus to uniquely select them back in 1919, which is also asserted by the Watchtower, then why would they not be good enough for Jesus today? The JW will pause even longer this time, his mind turning over, struggling to get around the logical paradox he sees looming.GOOD!!
5. Finally, ram home the point by saying "this logically means Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be the one true religion because the Bible Students still in existence today must also be acceptable to Jesus since they were acceptable to him in 1919. Both groups have faults but both JW's and the Bible Students today must be OK in God's eyes."The JW will mumble something vague like "Yeah I see your point...possibly...but,..well, I'll have to give that more thought and get back to you.."BINGO!!
This has worked a treat for me with some of my JW friends and relatives. It's a very humbling point that they find practically impossible to get out of. Some of them try to continue to assert that the Bible Students are no longer true Christians by pulling out beliefs unique to the JW's that distinguish them from the early Bible Students, but they are left flailing since all you need to do is fall back on the same logic: If Jesus still accepted the Bible Students as the true religion as they were in 1919, why would he not accept them today? Emphasize this point: "After all, the Bible Students back then and today believe in all the same main doctrines the JW's do, and it seems that is all that really matters in Jesus' eyes". You can also use the same logic for comparing the JW's beliefs of the 1920's (still called BS's then), 30's 40's, 50's etc with JW's beliefs today....there are some differences in beliefs and interpretations yet Jesus still accepted them all; the JW simply cannot deny this! So explain that all you are doing is going back a bit further to the bible students...and then applying the same logic to conclude that the Bible Students groups today are also acceptable to God and Jehovah. They really struggle with this inescapable logic.
Try it for yourself. It's a beautifully simple and devastatingly logical way to seriously undermine a JW's belief that only his organisation alone is the one true religion. You will have planted a real seed of doubt.
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144 000 blasted by the MATH (WT lying again)
by hamsterbait ini just took nathan natas chart for numbers of memorial partakers since 1935.. i worked out that on average 823 new partakers have been added every year since 1936, whilst on average 716 have been dying each year.. what is especially interesting, is that when the total of new partaker numbers almost exactly matches that given in w96 15/8 p31 for 1935, is in the year 1995 - they year they began to deliberately create the fog around the "generation" teaching.
(i used actual figures, not averages here).
i am now convinced that they have been paving the way for the feb 15 noolite since then.. i disregarded the figure for 1935 itself, since the witchtower gives two figures for partakers -.
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It seems that the most conservative estimate puts the total number of new partakers from the late 1880's to present at about 100k easily. The early Bible Students from 1879 to 1935 must be included, since the Bible Students were chosen by Jesus in 1919 (aherrmbollox)...something the Watchtower teaches.
That leaves barely any room for all the thousands from pentecost 33CE to 1879.
Clearly the 144k literal interpretation is a sham. (The only way out of it is for the Watchtower to assert that not all partakers are genuine, that only about 50% are genuine as someone said earlier, but would they put that in print?? hardly.)
Their 144k interpretation will have to be dumped before too long if the number of partakers keeps increasing at the rate it has in the last two years. It all depends on that.
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The only three reasons to miss a meeting?
by outofthebox insetting: sunday talk.
brother giving the talk (bgtt): 'a co told me' (he said that as in god told me), 'the only three reasons for missing a meeting are...' (drum roll) ... 'the three fs'.. me (thinking): wtf?
mmm.
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I would have stood up at the end of that talk and walked out loudly proclaiming "F YOU...I'M OUTTA THIS F'NG ARSEHOLE RELIGION!!!!
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"Secret" or "Members Only" Watchtower available for download
by grassyknoll07 inhey, the so-called "secret" or "members only" watchtower is available online at www.jw.org.
yes, it's true.
the fds is trying to control us so much, they are making it available in a top secret location; the internet!
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Let's not get too paranoid. It's the Watchtower, not the FBI.
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Is it official policy that elders MUST advise the parent to report abuse?
by Must obey! innotwithstanding the plain fact that the watchtower's heinous "two witness" rule is obviously flawed (scripturally and in terms of natural justice), it seems to me that as long as the elders are advising the parent/caregiver to go to the authorities in every case where an accusation of child abuse has occurred that this is sufficient for the elders to discharge their legal duty, shouldn't it?.
i have heard rumours that this is in fact the official current policy (since when i don't know) of the society: that they tell the elders to advise the parent/caregiver to inform the authorities of alleged child abuse.
but how firm is this policy?
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Good analysis Besty
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"Secret" or "Members Only" Watchtower available for download
by grassyknoll07 inhey, the so-called "secret" or "members only" watchtower is available online at www.jw.org.
yes, it's true.
the fds is trying to control us so much, they are making it available in a top secret location; the internet!
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My mother happily posts them all to me!